Hi Veronika, I am new to your work, but as always, if Kimberly is presenting, I’m all in. Incidentally ,I have had a very intense Homeopathic experience, at the time, I knew little about it, and was extremely ill, but I remember as if it was yesterday. I was peeled like an onion, every single emotional layer. I won’t mention names, but I am sure one you would recognize . I know he filmed me, which at the time, I couldn’t care less. I became an elaborate case study. I must admit, this was not an easy read, and took deep concentration on my part. I am envisioning a cutaway of a Nautilus shell showing all the intricacies of the individual chambers arranged in spirals. Add in “The Golden Ratio” and now we are into mathematics and beyond.And of course, that brings to mind Leonardo DaVinci’s Vitruvian Man. I guess what I am trying to say is, after reading this very in depth and extremely interesting conversation between you both, I am picturing that spiral inside of all of us. Some of us maybe can visit/ visualize these chambers , where our stories might originate, how they are ever changing, as they spiral through, and how our core changes with it .I think I’m one of those people who can see the stories too. My highlight;
“That is how we add the story that makes us actually feel miserable. It's not the thing itself. It's always the story we add. And that's why we need to go into and through the story.”
Thank you so very much Lor! and so nice to meet you here.
The analogy with the Nautilus shell is particularly interesting to me since I just wrote a piece on 'going analogue' which includes the Golden Ratio etc... yes, that spiral inside all of us.
and thank you for sharing your intense homeopathic experience, which sounds like it was a vulnerable and painful one. The 'peeling of the onion' is a familiar metaphor in homeopathy, but the opening (cross section) of the Nautilus shell revealing the inner chambers adds a whole other layer. 💗🙏
I’m thrilled to have made this introduction Lor. Veronika’s work is profoundly transformative, gentle, inclusive, and dare I say, feminine? Feminine in the sense that it reaches around and holds, instead of traditional consciousness models that are all about hierarchies and parts. As soon as began reading her Substack, I knew I’d found a fellow comrade speaking a twin “unfixed” language. Her Sunchronosophy fosters a space and understanding that are as natural and beautiful as the earth herself. Just like your nautilus. Such a great image for this work!
smiling here too! Yes! Feminine is a great word here (I've become reluctant to use it in the whole 'gender-dysphoria' and 'transgender' debate) but I felt from the very beginning that the 'Noctarine map of Consciousness' is in fact a feminine model... Now I can see more and more, how this also relates to indigenous ways of thinking and reciprocity as a way of being (rather than competitiveness). And the Nautilus shell is such a great symbol for all of that..
Kimberly and Veronika, What a profoundly moving conversation. There was the feeling of both participating and eavesdropping on an intimacy that was, at once, healing us all. You, in your utter sincerity, allowed us to see ourselves. Veronika, your work is a gift; your tender, personal way of sharing it and how it came to you is an invitation to us all into synchronosophy. You give us the present as the context in which to heal. Thank you. . . What lingers are your personal stories, some of them so raw and tender. Veronika, the bewilderment you experienced after painstakingly getting out of toxicity. Kimberly, darling, I can almost feel the cold in your infant legs . . . a feeling that will never leave me. With love to and admiration for you both.
“You give us the present as the context to heal.” So beautifully said Renée, and more, a profound reminder to trust and lean in to whatever is arising. I love that the personal stories linger Renée, I feel like too many teachings are void of these intimate stories of (un)becoming. When they can be grounded in our lives, in our bodies, it’s as if the very essence of the teaching has a place to finally rest, right inside our cells.
... and Kimberly, you say "I feel like too many teachings are void of these intimate stories of (un)becoming. When they can be grounded in our lives, in our bodies, it’s as if the very essence of the teaching has a place to finally rest, right inside our cells."
For various reasons, we can only write about those personal stories after a considerable amount of '(un)becoming', but when we finally do (I mean when we're finally able to write those personal stories), the personal healing of one human, can also affect others at a profound experiential level, 'right inside our cells'...
Thank you so much Renée. I feel deeply moved by your words, your resonance, your perceptive and sensitive response. Isn't it astonishing, how we are able to physically feel emotions and physical pain of others — even if it happened a life time ago?
Having recently learned about 'super empaths' (although I don't like such labels they can be useful for a little nudge of self-knowledge) I can now see that this is a skill the three of us share.
Veronika, I had not heard this before, 'super empath', and while I echo you about labels, in the world of words, they surely offer a scaffold upon which to share and recognize. To say, this label lands, and I recall a recent message when you wrote: "I already knew." This, too, in the ever-widening field of perceptivity. . .
I mentioned the word to Josh today (he's a super empath too), and you're absolutely right. It helps to share and recognize ourselves and each other.
I also feel moved by this phrase in your earlier comment "What lingers are your personal stories"
I have read many trauma memoirs since I've been hurled into my work with Synchronosophy, and many authors mention the personal stories as the greatest challenge. Having tried (and failed repeatedly!!) to write about this work while leaving the personal stories out, as if they didn't belong, this is particularly interesting to me...
Well, where to start but with gratitude for the pair of you.
There's so much wisdom and honesty (a rare treat) and thoughtful, emotional intelligence in this conversation. So many things with which I felt huge affinity. From being a grabby dog owner to accepting that the subjective experience is the only experience through which we can connect with others.
There is so much bravery and sincerity in your description, Veronika, of human experience which is so refreshing. A powerful acceptance of "unfolding" and the gracefulness of subjective experience (being alive) without judgement. Absolutely fascinating. Then your description of the adventure of creativity was, again, landing perfectly with me. I feel extremely lucky to have happened across both of you. I will get back to reading more of your work, Veronika. And I will watch this again.
And I know I've said this before but you really are a fabulous person Kimberly, so able to pay such warm, intense and intelligent attention to whoever you are interviewing, you create such a honest, nonthreatening space for people to reveal layer upon layer of themselves and for conversations to grow. Absolutely brilliant.
Thank you Jonathan. What a treat to share a slice of life with you here…whether I’m reading you, commenting, or you’re returning the favor with your generous heart, it’s always a delight. It’s almost as if this Substack community is tending a garden as wide as the earth, each one of us in ever-shifting, but interconnected and interdependent stages of seeding, growing, bearing fruit, decaying and restoring.
And boy am I glad I’m not the only grabby pet owner!
Thank you Jonathan, for such a beautiful comment and resonance.
Yes, doesn't Kimberly just create the most perfect space for her interviewing?! I still managed to get lost here and there, stumbling over a multitude of responses racing through my mind all at once...
I consider myself extremely fortunate that my work has been met with Kimberly's enthusiastic resonance and response, and for the continued connections and ongoing conversations with gifted fellow substack authors such as yourself.
Especially in situations such as these, when the creative genius is tentatively expressing ideas which are not yet shared with the current ruling paradigm, the benevolent receptiveness of kindroverts is the most precious gift.
The intensity of this conversation with two of the souls I feel so connected to because of our exchanges across the divide, time and space, that occurs on Substack. Both of you opened to this conversation with hearts that is seemed we could see, the beating, the organ, the connection to the mind--and though the length perhaps even exceeded expectations, the listening was endearing, pulling me closer and closer to each of you.
Not only do we have here two extraordinary writers, but soulfulness that I don't think I would have found without this platform
I want to add that Veronika joined another conversation--though in and out because of Internet issues--she did not remove herself and wrote more that, Kimberly, you so kindly added in--sort of like the addendum here.
When Veronika writes, whether it be her essays or her comments, the beauty and eloquence, her background in literature--all come through and reach my heart, as this conversation so powerfully did.
Beautiful Mary! This connection we are experiencing across the divide is sublime and I cherish every moment of it. Thank you for your generous listen and reflection. And I couldn’t agree more with your thoughts on Veronika—so intentional and wise in all her offerings. I, too, was moved to receive her addendum to the 4-way conversation her spotty WiFi interrupted—how easily someone could’ve slid out of that conversation without a follow-up but instead she transcended the glitch, reminding us that all good connection and friendship really need are intention and a willingness to show up.
thank you so much Mary, for your kind and generous words. The heart connection I have felt with Kimberly and yourself right from the first words I read from you both here on substack is truly moving. I too am in awe of how such connections can transcend timezones, geographical space, physical distance... another evidence that soul connections are made in another realm. Soulful kindredness indeed. Profound gratitude to you 💗🙏
Thank you both for sharing your conversation and your stories — building connections. 🙏 💜
Listening to this was a treat this morning, having woken extra early due to adjusting to the changing of our clock.
Veronika, so much resonates — our subjective experience in the human realm of consciousness — harnessing our own power in our expansion — and connections with others. Recognising and accepting the emotions that underpin our feelings — listening to our intuition, parenting those aspects of our self — the inner child, and taking responsibility for one’s recovery. Your Nocturne adds such depth to what and how my ‘team’ guide my recovery — one morsel at a time. 😊 🌱
I have also been able to feel my emotions (since childhood) — it has been the regulation of them that has been the crux of intergenerational patterns — the contrast, the experiences that we co-create in our soul groups that have evolved as my writing has unveiled understanding and new ways of being. I can also relate to the ‘inadequate perfectionist’, and the gift of being able to trust the guidance, without needing to know everything at the mind level. The spiralling and interwoven patterns of energy — yes, shifting our perspectives — our knowing we are consciousness itself.
I am coming to further understand the relationship of memory and emotion — how the emotional reaction to an external event may trigger the memory of past experiences, and the synchronicities embedded in our stories — the human narrative.
Thank you Simone, so glad you had a listen in your wee hours. I agree, there’s something incredibly liberating about Veronika’s model, nudging humanity toward “being able to trust the guidance, without needing to know everything at the mind level.” (Deep exhale.)
Hi Kimberley, Yes — totally 😊. Though, as Veronika attests, it is required that people are able to take responsibility — no judgement here — and though not easy it is the path to recovery, this courageous work.🙏
Oh, Simone, thank you so much for sharing your resonance. This is incredibly valuable, as we (both and collectively) are in the process of making sense of ourselves and our experiences and relationships and a potential of reshaping our future from a place of healing rather than repeating the patterns of trauma and suffering.
Each of us "taking responsibility for one's recovery" and everything that entails. Sharing our stories and experiences, which have been hidden behind shame, fear, and guilt and all sorts of narratives passed down in our family histories, is now becoming such an important tool for understanding, remembering and recovering our power.
Emotions and memory... yes, there is a powerful connection. Experiences, perceived via the senses, trigger emotions, and emotions trigger the memory of past not yet processed and integrated experiences, enabling us to unravel our stories. Thank you for being here, and for your work 💗🙏
❤️🙏🏼😊 Yes, no synchronicity then that today l will sit to start my next post, which includes some more insights re emotion and memory - this time my mother dropping in loud and clear last week 😂😇 💚🧚♂️☺️.
Wonderful interview, Kimberly. I always find Veronika's writing and the ideas that emanate from her enlightening and valuable. Moreover, it confirms many of my own ideas and beliefs, some of which I arrived at independently. Of course my ideas have always existed in Nature.🕊🦜🐦
Yes! I read that in your recent essay Perry and am delighted to learn that you, too, resonate deeply with Veronika’s work. When wisdom aligns with everything we observe in the natural world then it feels right on the deepest of levels.
Wow. I’m eight days late to this party, which feels about right—because if this conversation were a brainwave, I’d be arriving just in time for the aftershock. But seriously… wow.
Reading through this thread felt like having an ecstatic epileptic episode—equal parts transcendence, terror, and the unmistakable sense that something in my wiring has been permanently rearranged. And I mean that in the best, most existentially destabilizing way possible.
The idea that "consciousness is a living organism" and the brain merely a part of it? Completely tracks—especially if you’ve ever ridden the wild, disorienting edge of a seizure. In neurology circles, there’s a saying: with over a hundred billion neurons, you think the human brain is weird… but it’s actually weirder than you can think.
Never was that more apparent to me than in those uncanny moments when I was both terrified and awestruck—split in two—watching my mind surrender all its illusions of ego, control, and bodily sovereignty. It was as if my consciousness had packed its bags and left a note: "Gone cosmic. Don’t wait up." Loved this interview and Kim... Ghaaagh. That babysitter??? WTAF?🙀
Gah, Alisa! I know it’s terrible to be envious of epilepsy (and not to dismiss the hell-and-back aftermath) but sometimes you describe these experiences and I’m like, Wow wow wow wow. All those synapses lighting up all at once. No wonder you’re so freaking brilliant.
And yeah, that babysitter. So weird. I’ve had the thought that if we do enter into this world with a few items we really want to learn, I can’t help but wonder if she and I had some kind of contract. Like, Kim wants to wake up from a big, deep freeze, so she’s gonna need a whopper of a reason for her nervous system to go popsicle early on. Mom was horrified, especially after they found the hand shaped bruise on my face. But they decided to not press charges, a young, promising U of Ann Arbor student, they didn’t want to change the trajectory of her life.
How wonderful, Alisa! not late at all, just in time, and most welcome.
What an incredible image!! (I too have experienced "the unmistakable sense that something in my wiring has been permanently rearranged" multiple times through this work ~ albeit without the experience of an epileptic episode and the associated terror)
I am floored by your resonance, in the context of knowing the wild ride along the 'disorienting edge of a seizure'... What if the wild ride of a seizure is, essentially, an extreme expression/version of what we all feel in moments of being overwhelmed by life? with profound heartfelt gratitude 💗🙏
Veronika, among many things, I have always been in awe of your intellect, your curiosity, your attention and commitment to detail, and your clarity in writing.
Two things really stand out though: your willingness to feel, and your everdeveloping capacity to express.
Come to think of it—it’s those exact same two qualities that I admire most in Kimberly K-Dub Warner… go figure… 🩵
I really connected with this:
“And why does it become joyous? It's because you allow this inner being to have an expression. It's like you are becoming the parent who is discovering this five-month-old baby on the floor. And you are both.”
And even more with this!
“Of course I’m inadequate, in lots of things, why wouldn’t I be?”
Thank you so much Eric, I feel deeply moved by your words.
Truly, thank you for seeing me! 💗🙏
Oh yes, I can't tell you how freeing this was for me ~ the recognition, acknowledgement and wholehearted acceptance of being inadequate. The sense of inadequacy, which had weighed me down all my life, dropped away in that light-bulb-moment. It felt so exhilarating. It still does, every time I think about it. So simple, and so extra-ordinary at the same time.
Wow! This was powerful. As you said in the beginning Kimberly, Veronika is so quotable! “That’s how you can experience life in a grain of sand” … “If it happens to you, it’s for you.”
There was just so much deep stuff in here I’m still trying to process it all.
And the experience you shared, Kimberly, ohh bless. Thank you for being open enough to share that.
Kim! Holy Mother of Invention! Picture me slapping my forehead yelling HEALED! Well not quite but the syncronosophy in action in real time was happening. Your midwifed this exquisite experience filled with nourishing questions, vulnerable and humble, Veronika's authentic fluid silky reception and sharing of this most present/ancient/cosmic hologram of wisdom was probably the best thing I have experienced in a lonnnnnng time! The juxtaposition of so many spiritual docking stations game me "healing on demand". Gratitude and grace is my inhale and exhale. So wise ladies- Kimberly and Veronika thank you!
Oh wow! Thank you so much Shannon, what a wonderful response. The practice related to Synchronosophy I actually call 'practice on demand'!! Because we don't need to practice until we do. And healing happens, almost as a 'side-effect' of the practice.
Haha! I knew you'd love this interview Shannon! You are no doubt part of this holographic sisterhood. I love your expression "healing on demand"—such a great way of putting it. Just this weekend while driving I had one of those moments, referencing Veronika's wisdom to breathe into the feelings and poof, just like that, it was as if a bubble had burst before I even needed to make too much sense of it. Exhaling all that gratitude back to you. (I promise, I brushed my teeth this morning.)
My trauma psychologist taught me to experience my emotions as physical sensations matched with images or words of roughly the same strength. When I first started practicing this--a revelation for me at the time--I literally began 'tripping' as I walked down the street, my mind flushed with all manner of wild images. I then had to learn to turn the dial down a little. I do find using imagery to connect to my emotions often more powerful and helpful than naming the feeling.
Learning to relate to oneself is truly an incredible journey.
Wow, this is brilliant Harriet. It's so easy for our minds to get all tripped up on what it is, the story, the history, the labels. Pairing the experience with images is so much more shamanic and dreamlike—it makes me wonder if some of the most powerful pieces of art are simply this—trauma working itself out onto the canvas.
Wonderful! Thank you very much for sharing this experience and method, Harriet 💙 🙏. Is this a specific modality your trauma therapist is using?
I was first taught the 'translation of emotions into imagery' in the context of psychosynthesis. The translation of emotions into physical sensations comes, I believe, more from 'somatic experiencing' (the trauma therapy developed by trauma researcher, author, and therapist Peter Levine).
Images are very powerful for me too. I am always curious to learn more about these practices.
Unfortunately/fortunately I haven't seen my psychologist for some years, because I'm totally healed now! (No, I'm not, but I am far more integrated.) So I can't ask him your question. I didn't ask him for the theoretical basis at the time -- I was just showing up and doing the work. He was at the end of his working life, and drew on many practices and modalities, but always in a way that was applicable to me, a real person, not a text book.
I have now read a lot in the field of trauma and recovery but haven't come across this specific method in my reading. You are reminding me to read Peter Levine, though, thank you. He's been on my reading list for a while.
Yes, Peter Levine was my introduction into trauma research. I fairly recently read his autobiography, a completely different book from his other work. Very vulnerable and tender with some profound insights/ teachings.
I will return to this excellent interview many times, thank you Kimberly and Veronika.
I chuckled when you used the term "the point of enoughness" Veronica because I have often had an inner sense that I will get to that very point and until that happens I know I need to stay the course. I have never heard anyone else talk about it the way you have, in a manner that felt like you were inside my own head. For years now I have used my point of enoughness to know when to shift.
I resonated deeply with your description of your childhood as I also had a 'normal, happy' childhood with kind and loving parents and extended family. However, I was also raised by puritan pioneering stock who suppressed all emotion, except frustration, and left me feeling unseen and unable to be myself. Not surprisingly, my family (including me) drank too much, likely because it was the only time we were able to freely express ourselves. Thankfully there has been tremendous growth on that front, both in the drinking and being in touch with our inner being.
Your point about over-reacting to small things was huge for me. I have become more aware of this in myself because as I've gotten older I notice a tendency towards an elevated response. This is something I aim to notice in the moment and pay attention to. It's very interesting because my husband has always over-reacted to small things and is a rock when big stuff happens in our life. It's somewhat of a running joke in our family. He suffered from significant childhood trauma (that's not the joke part of course!).
Lastly, Kimberly I love that you shared that you would dance a quality every morning. This is beautiful! I am not a dancer but I can imagine it would be very powerful.
This heart-centered interview was amazing, thank you both!
Oh Donna, such wonderful, thoughtful reflections. I share the "normal, happy" childhood too, at least as far as anyone could identify. It's those secrets buried beneath as everyone tries so hard to "keep up appearances" that sneak up on us later in life. I find Veronika's approach to work with the small stuff, the insignificant events that we might overreact to, so very empowering. As another listener shared in the comments, it's like having "healing on demand" anywhere, anytime. We just have to be aware enough notice our responses.
Thank you so much for being here. I'm delighted that Veronica's work speaks to you!
Thank you so much Donna for your beautiful comment and sharing such personal insights. So interesting what you say about 'being a rock when big stuff happens'. This is something I very much resonate with too (and so does my husband). A few years ago, when caught up in a firestorm we spontaneously became 'firefighters' to protect our house, not the slightest hint of panic, as if this was 'perfectly normal'. Sometimes it can be easier to deal with the big stuff because it is real and immediate and forces us to act, while the 'small stuff' seems like it's only a nuisance, while in reality it can be an opportunity to process and integrate underlying trauma (known or unknown).
You are so right Veronika, it is always an opportunity to look deeper. I think the difficulty lies in the relentlessness of the small stuff and the tremendous amount of work required to surrender and allow it to unfold as it will. This is not to say that the effort required should stop us because, for those of us on the path of self-awareness, there is no other way to live
Absolutely, Donna! For us on the path... there is no other way... I couldn't have said it better myself.
Despite the many years of work (and it has often been relentless and sometimes hard) I don't think the small stuff is inherently relentless or difficult. The difficulties, I believe, come from our own ignorance and lack of understanding, mixed with incompatible convictions of 'how things should be'.
In my experience, things have become easier continuously in direct correlation with my understanding of the principles. The work itself is actually a lot simpler than we (including myself) tend to think, believe and expect. I'm hoping to explain it in some detail in Volume 2. xx
Well, wow. Of course I've been waiting for this interview, Kimberly. Thank you so much for creating and holding the space for us to fully take in Veronika's wisdom. And thank you for sharing your own vulnerability in the process.
Veronika, so great to get to listen in on such a rich, luscious conversation. Many, many points of resonance, as though we've been somehow guided by a similar sprite. I so often have this sense of being distant siblings, the two of us, bringing into the world these two complementary channels of access to the deep wisdom of subjective experience.
Thank you Joe, for dropping in. And such fun to connect with you and Kimberly as family ~ in some ways less distant than the one I was born into, I might add. This warms my heart 💗🙏 🎶
Good luck getting things going with Volume 2! Are you going to release a print version of your new version of Volume 1? How would someone get the previous version? (I'm at a similar stage right now, editing/proofreading my Volume 1 before putting it out there, looking ahead to the long slog of pulling together the second volume. I had put the material of both out as a much shorter book in 2011.)
I am not quite decided on that yet, Joe. As you probably know, even when a manuscript is 'ready', it's still a hell of a lot of work to get a printed book out and done (if you have to do all the editing and proofreading yourself, which is where I'm currently at)
In my ideal world I would have an editor/publisher to do that. But I don't. And having self-published all of this before, 'one in my circle' i kind of reluctant to go through all that work (not to mention costs!!!) again, to probably find in the end that there is still a lot I would like to edit and change...
I wouldn't recommend buying the previous versions (but I'm glad I've got them, especially since someone on substack made ridiculous accusations of plagiarism... saying I had stolen her work... which is impossible, of course, since I've never seen her work and have since forgotten her name)
Anyway, this current version of Volume 1 represents the best and most complete level of understanding I can offer so far, and it's only published at the moment on substack in 'manuscript format'. Volume 2 will be the practical companion book (which may reveal some changes I need to make in Vol.1)
I feel, at the moment I need to keep writing to get Vol 2 out... trusting the process....
Veronika, you are speaking directly to my own ongoing wrestling match here. I've gone up the hill toward completing book a few times now, always to find myself reworking how I hold the work and deciding to start over again rather than stick with what was already done. This time around, things are staying stable enough in my own understanding that it seems I'll wrap it up, though, for which I am super grateful.
But yeah, a hell of a lot of work. Right now I am indeed doing all the editing and proofreading myself, but I'm keeping my standards within reach. "Good enough" is what I'm aiming for.
I've chosen the easy route to self publishing, going through Amazon's service. It's incredibly convenient and affordable. Currently, I'm doing my proofreading/editing with a pencil on the pages of a proof copy that cost me all of ten bucks. And I have a background that includes some copywriting and graphic design, so I have the patience to deal with the software hurdles (ugh) to get the final document complete.
(Of course, there's the worry, too, that at this point in history, who actually reads any more? And will they have the capacity to turn inward, or is their attention fully entrapped by their screens?)
Weird about the plagiarism claim. It's pretty obvious there's not another human on the planet who would be able to weave the tapestry you are shaping.
Anyway, I really wish you the best as you continue moving toward completion. Sending generous blessings your way. May we find what we need, and may others find value in what we are offering.
Thank you for all the good wishes. I know, there are some weird (or confused) people out there...
Wishing you all the very best with your books too. I do believe, of course, that what we are offering is tremendously valuable! And that our main job is to do our best to provide our part of the project.
I'm not worried about people not reading... I meet people all the time who tell me they prefer to read 'real books'. And as the outer world goes crazier the need to go inwards deepens too...
Delighted to deliver Joe! And I have to laugh, I’ve often felt the same about Veronika—a long-lost sister or cousin. So I suppose that makes you and me family too.:)
Enfin...! I have found a long enough free moment to listen to your conversation Veronika and Kimberly... all I can say is thank you both for your profound wisdoms, at the end Kimberly you said "I feel a grace throughout this whole conversation, I feel a grace." Grace is the word, for me that emanates in a shimmering light from the whole beautiful, intimate sharing of time between you both, your extraordinary philosophies which I am now going to walk up my hill with and spend a few more minutes digesting...
Veronika, you spoke of a feeling of inadequacy, "the biggest kind of bugger, my immature inner creature was to feel inadequate", for so many reasons, different to your own of course, I have felt my entire life, ruled by my own emotions, my own actions to be wholly inadequate, I am not looking for consolation here but I believe I must, must read your book.
My love to you both, as always, I am in awe, too shy to say more but in awe nonetheless. 🙏🏼
We should have known better than to ramble on for so long...
I do believe we must speak of this sense of inadequacy, which may seem ridiculous from the outside, considering all the wonderful things we are each sharing with the world and each other, and yet that feeling can be so persistent...
Profound gratitude for your listening and carving out a slice of your precious time xxx
Veronika it was the grace I needed to tackle the ironing, a most dreaded chore I leave until it cannot wait a moment longer... I am anything but graceful when ironing - another inadequacy perhaps - so thank you the length was perfect💛🍃x
Ohh... ironing (or any household chore for that matter)... who says that those should be done gracefully? I'm a 'minimalist' when it comes to ironing 😊
Hi Veronika, I am new to your work, but as always, if Kimberly is presenting, I’m all in. Incidentally ,I have had a very intense Homeopathic experience, at the time, I knew little about it, and was extremely ill, but I remember as if it was yesterday. I was peeled like an onion, every single emotional layer. I won’t mention names, but I am sure one you would recognize . I know he filmed me, which at the time, I couldn’t care less. I became an elaborate case study. I must admit, this was not an easy read, and took deep concentration on my part. I am envisioning a cutaway of a Nautilus shell showing all the intricacies of the individual chambers arranged in spirals. Add in “The Golden Ratio” and now we are into mathematics and beyond.And of course, that brings to mind Leonardo DaVinci’s Vitruvian Man. I guess what I am trying to say is, after reading this very in depth and extremely interesting conversation between you both, I am picturing that spiral inside of all of us. Some of us maybe can visit/ visualize these chambers , where our stories might originate, how they are ever changing, as they spiral through, and how our core changes with it .I think I’m one of those people who can see the stories too. My highlight;
“That is how we add the story that makes us actually feel miserable. It's not the thing itself. It's always the story we add. And that's why we need to go into and through the story.”
Thank you ,both.
Thank you so very much Lor! and so nice to meet you here.
The analogy with the Nautilus shell is particularly interesting to me since I just wrote a piece on 'going analogue' which includes the Golden Ratio etc... yes, that spiral inside all of us.
and thank you for sharing your intense homeopathic experience, which sounds like it was a vulnerable and painful one. The 'peeling of the onion' is a familiar metaphor in homeopathy, but the opening (cross section) of the Nautilus shell revealing the inner chambers adds a whole other layer. 💗🙏
I’m smiling over here. Lor is a gem of a reader. I’m so happy to see you on her radar now!
I so agree that "Lor is a gem of a reader" -- and a connecter!
I’m thrilled to have made this introduction Lor. Veronika’s work is profoundly transformative, gentle, inclusive, and dare I say, feminine? Feminine in the sense that it reaches around and holds, instead of traditional consciousness models that are all about hierarchies and parts. As soon as began reading her Substack, I knew I’d found a fellow comrade speaking a twin “unfixed” language. Her Sunchronosophy fosters a space and understanding that are as natural and beautiful as the earth herself. Just like your nautilus. Such a great image for this work!
smiling here too! Yes! Feminine is a great word here (I've become reluctant to use it in the whole 'gender-dysphoria' and 'transgender' debate) but I felt from the very beginning that the 'Noctarine map of Consciousness' is in fact a feminine model... Now I can see more and more, how this also relates to indigenous ways of thinking and reciprocity as a way of being (rather than competitiveness). And the Nautilus shell is such a great symbol for all of that..
Kimberly and Veronika, What a profoundly moving conversation. There was the feeling of both participating and eavesdropping on an intimacy that was, at once, healing us all. You, in your utter sincerity, allowed us to see ourselves. Veronika, your work is a gift; your tender, personal way of sharing it and how it came to you is an invitation to us all into synchronosophy. You give us the present as the context in which to heal. Thank you. . . What lingers are your personal stories, some of them so raw and tender. Veronika, the bewilderment you experienced after painstakingly getting out of toxicity. Kimberly, darling, I can almost feel the cold in your infant legs . . . a feeling that will never leave me. With love to and admiration for you both.
“You give us the present as the context to heal.” So beautifully said Renée, and more, a profound reminder to trust and lean in to whatever is arising. I love that the personal stories linger Renée, I feel like too many teachings are void of these intimate stories of (un)becoming. When they can be grounded in our lives, in our bodies, it’s as if the very essence of the teaching has a place to finally rest, right inside our cells.
... and Kimberly, you say "I feel like too many teachings are void of these intimate stories of (un)becoming. When they can be grounded in our lives, in our bodies, it’s as if the very essence of the teaching has a place to finally rest, right inside our cells."
For various reasons, we can only write about those personal stories after a considerable amount of '(un)becoming', but when we finally do (I mean when we're finally able to write those personal stories), the personal healing of one human, can also affect others at a profound experiential level, 'right inside our cells'...
I've been thinking about this all day 💗🙏
Kimberly, I could not agree more.
Thank you so much Renée. I feel deeply moved by your words, your resonance, your perceptive and sensitive response. Isn't it astonishing, how we are able to physically feel emotions and physical pain of others — even if it happened a life time ago?
Having recently learned about 'super empaths' (although I don't like such labels they can be useful for a little nudge of self-knowledge) I can now see that this is a skill the three of us share.
Veronika, I had not heard this before, 'super empath', and while I echo you about labels, in the world of words, they surely offer a scaffold upon which to share and recognize. To say, this label lands, and I recall a recent message when you wrote: "I already knew." This, too, in the ever-widening field of perceptivity. . .
"a scaffold upon which to share and recognize"!
I mentioned the word to Josh today (he's a super empath too), and you're absolutely right. It helps to share and recognize ourselves and each other.
I also feel moved by this phrase in your earlier comment "What lingers are your personal stories"
I have read many trauma memoirs since I've been hurled into my work with Synchronosophy, and many authors mention the personal stories as the greatest challenge. Having tried (and failed repeatedly!!) to write about this work while leaving the personal stories out, as if they didn't belong, this is particularly interesting to me...
Veronika, I think it was you who used another new word in a comment and I can’t recall what it was… not extrovert, not introvert, was it a somatovert?
it was kindrovert (a beautiful word coined by Beth Kempton)
OH yes, That’s it. Thank you!
Well, where to start but with gratitude for the pair of you.
There's so much wisdom and honesty (a rare treat) and thoughtful, emotional intelligence in this conversation. So many things with which I felt huge affinity. From being a grabby dog owner to accepting that the subjective experience is the only experience through which we can connect with others.
There is so much bravery and sincerity in your description, Veronika, of human experience which is so refreshing. A powerful acceptance of "unfolding" and the gracefulness of subjective experience (being alive) without judgement. Absolutely fascinating. Then your description of the adventure of creativity was, again, landing perfectly with me. I feel extremely lucky to have happened across both of you. I will get back to reading more of your work, Veronika. And I will watch this again.
And I know I've said this before but you really are a fabulous person Kimberly, so able to pay such warm, intense and intelligent attention to whoever you are interviewing, you create such a honest, nonthreatening space for people to reveal layer upon layer of themselves and for conversations to grow. Absolutely brilliant.
Thanks so much to both of you.
Thank you Jonathan. What a treat to share a slice of life with you here…whether I’m reading you, commenting, or you’re returning the favor with your generous heart, it’s always a delight. It’s almost as if this Substack community is tending a garden as wide as the earth, each one of us in ever-shifting, but interconnected and interdependent stages of seeding, growing, bearing fruit, decaying and restoring.
And boy am I glad I’m not the only grabby pet owner!
Thank you Jonathan, for such a beautiful comment and resonance.
Yes, doesn't Kimberly just create the most perfect space for her interviewing?! I still managed to get lost here and there, stumbling over a multitude of responses racing through my mind all at once...
I consider myself extremely fortunate that my work has been met with Kimberly's enthusiastic resonance and response, and for the continued connections and ongoing conversations with gifted fellow substack authors such as yourself.
Especially in situations such as these, when the creative genius is tentatively expressing ideas which are not yet shared with the current ruling paradigm, the benevolent receptiveness of kindroverts is the most precious gift.
The intensity of this conversation with two of the souls I feel so connected to because of our exchanges across the divide, time and space, that occurs on Substack. Both of you opened to this conversation with hearts that is seemed we could see, the beating, the organ, the connection to the mind--and though the length perhaps even exceeded expectations, the listening was endearing, pulling me closer and closer to each of you.
Not only do we have here two extraordinary writers, but soulfulness that I don't think I would have found without this platform
I want to add that Veronika joined another conversation--though in and out because of Internet issues--she did not remove herself and wrote more that, Kimberly, you so kindly added in--sort of like the addendum here.
When Veronika writes, whether it be her essays or her comments, the beauty and eloquence, her background in literature--all come through and reach my heart, as this conversation so powerfully did.
Love to you both ~ Mary
Beautiful Mary! This connection we are experiencing across the divide is sublime and I cherish every moment of it. Thank you for your generous listen and reflection. And I couldn’t agree more with your thoughts on Veronika—so intentional and wise in all her offerings. I, too, was moved to receive her addendum to the 4-way conversation her spotty WiFi interrupted—how easily someone could’ve slid out of that conversation without a follow-up but instead she transcended the glitch, reminding us that all good connection and friendship really need are intention and a willingness to show up.
thank you so much Mary, for your kind and generous words. The heart connection I have felt with Kimberly and yourself right from the first words I read from you both here on substack is truly moving. I too am in awe of how such connections can transcend timezones, geographical space, physical distance... another evidence that soul connections are made in another realm. Soulful kindredness indeed. Profound gratitude to you 💗🙏
Hi Kimberley and Veronika,
Thank you both for sharing your conversation and your stories — building connections. 🙏 💜
Listening to this was a treat this morning, having woken extra early due to adjusting to the changing of our clock.
Veronika, so much resonates — our subjective experience in the human realm of consciousness — harnessing our own power in our expansion — and connections with others. Recognising and accepting the emotions that underpin our feelings — listening to our intuition, parenting those aspects of our self — the inner child, and taking responsibility for one’s recovery. Your Nocturne adds such depth to what and how my ‘team’ guide my recovery — one morsel at a time. 😊 🌱
I have also been able to feel my emotions (since childhood) — it has been the regulation of them that has been the crux of intergenerational patterns — the contrast, the experiences that we co-create in our soul groups that have evolved as my writing has unveiled understanding and new ways of being. I can also relate to the ‘inadequate perfectionist’, and the gift of being able to trust the guidance, without needing to know everything at the mind level. The spiralling and interwoven patterns of energy — yes, shifting our perspectives — our knowing we are consciousness itself.
I am coming to further understand the relationship of memory and emotion — how the emotional reaction to an external event may trigger the memory of past experiences, and the synchronicities embedded in our stories — the human narrative.
Thanks again 🙏 💜
Thank you Simone, so glad you had a listen in your wee hours. I agree, there’s something incredibly liberating about Veronika’s model, nudging humanity toward “being able to trust the guidance, without needing to know everything at the mind level.” (Deep exhale.)
Hi Kimberley, Yes — totally 😊. Though, as Veronika attests, it is required that people are able to take responsibility — no judgement here — and though not easy it is the path to recovery, this courageous work.🙏
Oh, Simone, thank you so much for sharing your resonance. This is incredibly valuable, as we (both and collectively) are in the process of making sense of ourselves and our experiences and relationships and a potential of reshaping our future from a place of healing rather than repeating the patterns of trauma and suffering.
Each of us "taking responsibility for one's recovery" and everything that entails. Sharing our stories and experiences, which have been hidden behind shame, fear, and guilt and all sorts of narratives passed down in our family histories, is now becoming such an important tool for understanding, remembering and recovering our power.
Emotions and memory... yes, there is a powerful connection. Experiences, perceived via the senses, trigger emotions, and emotions trigger the memory of past not yet processed and integrated experiences, enabling us to unravel our stories. Thank you for being here, and for your work 💗🙏
❤️🙏🏼😊 Yes, no synchronicity then that today l will sit to start my next post, which includes some more insights re emotion and memory - this time my mother dropping in loud and clear last week 😂😇 💚🧚♂️☺️.
Wonderful interview, Kimberly. I always find Veronika's writing and the ideas that emanate from her enlightening and valuable. Moreover, it confirms many of my own ideas and beliefs, some of which I arrived at independently. Of course my ideas have always existed in Nature.🕊🦜🐦
Thank you so much Perry 💗🙏
Yes! I read that in your recent essay Perry and am delighted to learn that you, too, resonate deeply with Veronika’s work. When wisdom aligns with everything we observe in the natural world then it feels right on the deepest of levels.
Wow. I’m eight days late to this party, which feels about right—because if this conversation were a brainwave, I’d be arriving just in time for the aftershock. But seriously… wow.
Reading through this thread felt like having an ecstatic epileptic episode—equal parts transcendence, terror, and the unmistakable sense that something in my wiring has been permanently rearranged. And I mean that in the best, most existentially destabilizing way possible.
The idea that "consciousness is a living organism" and the brain merely a part of it? Completely tracks—especially if you’ve ever ridden the wild, disorienting edge of a seizure. In neurology circles, there’s a saying: with over a hundred billion neurons, you think the human brain is weird… but it’s actually weirder than you can think.
Never was that more apparent to me than in those uncanny moments when I was both terrified and awestruck—split in two—watching my mind surrender all its illusions of ego, control, and bodily sovereignty. It was as if my consciousness had packed its bags and left a note: "Gone cosmic. Don’t wait up." Loved this interview and Kim... Ghaaagh. That babysitter??? WTAF?🙀
Gah, Alisa! I know it’s terrible to be envious of epilepsy (and not to dismiss the hell-and-back aftermath) but sometimes you describe these experiences and I’m like, Wow wow wow wow. All those synapses lighting up all at once. No wonder you’re so freaking brilliant.
And yeah, that babysitter. So weird. I’ve had the thought that if we do enter into this world with a few items we really want to learn, I can’t help but wonder if she and I had some kind of contract. Like, Kim wants to wake up from a big, deep freeze, so she’s gonna need a whopper of a reason for her nervous system to go popsicle early on. Mom was horrified, especially after they found the hand shaped bruise on my face. But they decided to not press charges, a young, promising U of Ann Arbor student, they didn’t want to change the trajectory of her life.
How wonderful, Alisa! not late at all, just in time, and most welcome.
What an incredible image!! (I too have experienced "the unmistakable sense that something in my wiring has been permanently rearranged" multiple times through this work ~ albeit without the experience of an epileptic episode and the associated terror)
I am floored by your resonance, in the context of knowing the wild ride along the 'disorienting edge of a seizure'... What if the wild ride of a seizure is, essentially, an extreme expression/version of what we all feel in moments of being overwhelmed by life? with profound heartfelt gratitude 💗🙏
P.S.: precisely. THAT babysitter ?!?!?!
Veronika, among many things, I have always been in awe of your intellect, your curiosity, your attention and commitment to detail, and your clarity in writing.
Two things really stand out though: your willingness to feel, and your everdeveloping capacity to express.
Come to think of it—it’s those exact same two qualities that I admire most in Kimberly K-Dub Warner… go figure… 🩵
I really connected with this:
“And why does it become joyous? It's because you allow this inner being to have an expression. It's like you are becoming the parent who is discovering this five-month-old baby on the floor. And you are both.”
And even more with this!
“Of course I’m inadequate, in lots of things, why wouldn’t I be?”
Thank you so much Eric, I feel deeply moved by your words.
Truly, thank you for seeing me! 💗🙏
Oh yes, I can't tell you how freeing this was for me ~ the recognition, acknowledgement and wholehearted acceptance of being inadequate. The sense of inadequacy, which had weighed me down all my life, dropped away in that light-bulb-moment. It felt so exhilarating. It still does, every time I think about it. So simple, and so extra-ordinary at the same time.
Wow! This was powerful. As you said in the beginning Kimberly, Veronika is so quotable! “That’s how you can experience life in a grain of sand” … “If it happens to you, it’s for you.”
There was just so much deep stuff in here I’m still trying to process it all.
And the experience you shared, Kimberly, ohh bless. Thank you for being open enough to share that.
A wonderful interview :)
I'm so glad you enjoyed it Michael. I started reading her work over a year ago and I'm STILL trying to process it all, so you're not alone!
How exciting! I’ve got a lot to get stuck into then :)
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Thank you so much Michael 💗🙏
So nice to hear Veronika in her own voice--thank you for speaking with her, Kimberly. Essential understandings. Keep spreading the word!
Thank you for being here to support and listen Robin!
Kim! Holy Mother of Invention! Picture me slapping my forehead yelling HEALED! Well not quite but the syncronosophy in action in real time was happening. Your midwifed this exquisite experience filled with nourishing questions, vulnerable and humble, Veronika's authentic fluid silky reception and sharing of this most present/ancient/cosmic hologram of wisdom was probably the best thing I have experienced in a lonnnnnng time! The juxtaposition of so many spiritual docking stations game me "healing on demand". Gratitude and grace is my inhale and exhale. So wise ladies- Kimberly and Veronika thank you!
Oh wow! Thank you so much Shannon, what a wonderful response. The practice related to Synchronosophy I actually call 'practice on demand'!! Because we don't need to practice until we do. And healing happens, almost as a 'side-effect' of the practice.
Haha! I knew you'd love this interview Shannon! You are no doubt part of this holographic sisterhood. I love your expression "healing on demand"—such a great way of putting it. Just this weekend while driving I had one of those moments, referencing Veronika's wisdom to breathe into the feelings and poof, just like that, it was as if a bubble had burst before I even needed to make too much sense of it. Exhaling all that gratitude back to you. (I promise, I brushed my teeth this morning.)
My trauma psychologist taught me to experience my emotions as physical sensations matched with images or words of roughly the same strength. When I first started practicing this--a revelation for me at the time--I literally began 'tripping' as I walked down the street, my mind flushed with all manner of wild images. I then had to learn to turn the dial down a little. I do find using imagery to connect to my emotions often more powerful and helpful than naming the feeling.
Learning to relate to oneself is truly an incredible journey.
Thanks for your work, Veronika and Kimberley.
Wow, this is brilliant Harriet. It's so easy for our minds to get all tripped up on what it is, the story, the history, the labels. Pairing the experience with images is so much more shamanic and dreamlike—it makes me wonder if some of the most powerful pieces of art are simply this—trauma working itself out onto the canvas.
Yes, I think a lot of art and a lot of music comes from this place, for sure.
Wonderful! Thank you very much for sharing this experience and method, Harriet 💙 🙏. Is this a specific modality your trauma therapist is using?
I was first taught the 'translation of emotions into imagery' in the context of psychosynthesis. The translation of emotions into physical sensations comes, I believe, more from 'somatic experiencing' (the trauma therapy developed by trauma researcher, author, and therapist Peter Levine).
Images are very powerful for me too. I am always curious to learn more about these practices.
Unfortunately/fortunately I haven't seen my psychologist for some years, because I'm totally healed now! (No, I'm not, but I am far more integrated.) So I can't ask him your question. I didn't ask him for the theoretical basis at the time -- I was just showing up and doing the work. He was at the end of his working life, and drew on many practices and modalities, but always in a way that was applicable to me, a real person, not a text book.
I have now read a lot in the field of trauma and recovery but haven't come across this specific method in my reading. You are reminding me to read Peter Levine, though, thank you. He's been on my reading list for a while.
Yes, Peter Levine was my introduction into trauma research. I fairly recently read his autobiography, a completely different book from his other work. Very vulnerable and tender with some profound insights/ teachings.
I will return to this excellent interview many times, thank you Kimberly and Veronika.
I chuckled when you used the term "the point of enoughness" Veronica because I have often had an inner sense that I will get to that very point and until that happens I know I need to stay the course. I have never heard anyone else talk about it the way you have, in a manner that felt like you were inside my own head. For years now I have used my point of enoughness to know when to shift.
I resonated deeply with your description of your childhood as I also had a 'normal, happy' childhood with kind and loving parents and extended family. However, I was also raised by puritan pioneering stock who suppressed all emotion, except frustration, and left me feeling unseen and unable to be myself. Not surprisingly, my family (including me) drank too much, likely because it was the only time we were able to freely express ourselves. Thankfully there has been tremendous growth on that front, both in the drinking and being in touch with our inner being.
Your point about over-reacting to small things was huge for me. I have become more aware of this in myself because as I've gotten older I notice a tendency towards an elevated response. This is something I aim to notice in the moment and pay attention to. It's very interesting because my husband has always over-reacted to small things and is a rock when big stuff happens in our life. It's somewhat of a running joke in our family. He suffered from significant childhood trauma (that's not the joke part of course!).
Lastly, Kimberly I love that you shared that you would dance a quality every morning. This is beautiful! I am not a dancer but I can imagine it would be very powerful.
This heart-centered interview was amazing, thank you both!
Oh Donna, such wonderful, thoughtful reflections. I share the "normal, happy" childhood too, at least as far as anyone could identify. It's those secrets buried beneath as everyone tries so hard to "keep up appearances" that sneak up on us later in life. I find Veronika's approach to work with the small stuff, the insignificant events that we might overreact to, so very empowering. As another listener shared in the comments, it's like having "healing on demand" anywhere, anytime. We just have to be aware enough notice our responses.
Thank you so much for being here. I'm delighted that Veronica's work speaks to you!
Thank you so much Donna for your beautiful comment and sharing such personal insights. So interesting what you say about 'being a rock when big stuff happens'. This is something I very much resonate with too (and so does my husband). A few years ago, when caught up in a firestorm we spontaneously became 'firefighters' to protect our house, not the slightest hint of panic, as if this was 'perfectly normal'. Sometimes it can be easier to deal with the big stuff because it is real and immediate and forces us to act, while the 'small stuff' seems like it's only a nuisance, while in reality it can be an opportunity to process and integrate underlying trauma (known or unknown).
You are so right Veronika, it is always an opportunity to look deeper. I think the difficulty lies in the relentlessness of the small stuff and the tremendous amount of work required to surrender and allow it to unfold as it will. This is not to say that the effort required should stop us because, for those of us on the path of self-awareness, there is no other way to live
Here's to the unfolding!
Absolutely, Donna! For us on the path... there is no other way... I couldn't have said it better myself.
Despite the many years of work (and it has often been relentless and sometimes hard) I don't think the small stuff is inherently relentless or difficult. The difficulties, I believe, come from our own ignorance and lack of understanding, mixed with incompatible convictions of 'how things should be'.
In my experience, things have become easier continuously in direct correlation with my understanding of the principles. The work itself is actually a lot simpler than we (including myself) tend to think, believe and expect. I'm hoping to explain it in some detail in Volume 2. xx
Absolutely! I look forward to reading everything.
Well, wow. Of course I've been waiting for this interview, Kimberly. Thank you so much for creating and holding the space for us to fully take in Veronika's wisdom. And thank you for sharing your own vulnerability in the process.
Veronika, so great to get to listen in on such a rich, luscious conversation. Many, many points of resonance, as though we've been somehow guided by a similar sprite. I so often have this sense of being distant siblings, the two of us, bringing into the world these two complementary channels of access to the deep wisdom of subjective experience.
Boundless gratitude to both of you!
Thank you Joe, for dropping in. And such fun to connect with you and Kimberly as family ~ in some ways less distant than the one I was born into, I might add. This warms my heart 💗🙏 🎶
Good luck getting things going with Volume 2! Are you going to release a print version of your new version of Volume 1? How would someone get the previous version? (I'm at a similar stage right now, editing/proofreading my Volume 1 before putting it out there, looking ahead to the long slog of pulling together the second volume. I had put the material of both out as a much shorter book in 2011.)
I am not quite decided on that yet, Joe. As you probably know, even when a manuscript is 'ready', it's still a hell of a lot of work to get a printed book out and done (if you have to do all the editing and proofreading yourself, which is where I'm currently at)
In my ideal world I would have an editor/publisher to do that. But I don't. And having self-published all of this before, 'one in my circle' i kind of reluctant to go through all that work (not to mention costs!!!) again, to probably find in the end that there is still a lot I would like to edit and change...
I wouldn't recommend buying the previous versions (but I'm glad I've got them, especially since someone on substack made ridiculous accusations of plagiarism... saying I had stolen her work... which is impossible, of course, since I've never seen her work and have since forgotten her name)
Anyway, this current version of Volume 1 represents the best and most complete level of understanding I can offer so far, and it's only published at the moment on substack in 'manuscript format'. Volume 2 will be the practical companion book (which may reveal some changes I need to make in Vol.1)
I feel, at the moment I need to keep writing to get Vol 2 out... trusting the process....
Veronika, you are speaking directly to my own ongoing wrestling match here. I've gone up the hill toward completing book a few times now, always to find myself reworking how I hold the work and deciding to start over again rather than stick with what was already done. This time around, things are staying stable enough in my own understanding that it seems I'll wrap it up, though, for which I am super grateful.
But yeah, a hell of a lot of work. Right now I am indeed doing all the editing and proofreading myself, but I'm keeping my standards within reach. "Good enough" is what I'm aiming for.
I've chosen the easy route to self publishing, going through Amazon's service. It's incredibly convenient and affordable. Currently, I'm doing my proofreading/editing with a pencil on the pages of a proof copy that cost me all of ten bucks. And I have a background that includes some copywriting and graphic design, so I have the patience to deal with the software hurdles (ugh) to get the final document complete.
(Of course, there's the worry, too, that at this point in history, who actually reads any more? And will they have the capacity to turn inward, or is their attention fully entrapped by their screens?)
Weird about the plagiarism claim. It's pretty obvious there's not another human on the planet who would be able to weave the tapestry you are shaping.
Anyway, I really wish you the best as you continue moving toward completion. Sending generous blessings your way. May we find what we need, and may others find value in what we are offering.
Thank you for all the good wishes. I know, there are some weird (or confused) people out there...
Wishing you all the very best with your books too. I do believe, of course, that what we are offering is tremendously valuable! And that our main job is to do our best to provide our part of the project.
I'm not worried about people not reading... I meet people all the time who tell me they prefer to read 'real books'. And as the outer world goes crazier the need to go inwards deepens too...
"as the outer world goes crazier the need to go inwards deepens too..." So true!
Thank you, Veronika. Your being there, doing what you're doing, nourishes me. I appreciate you.
Delighted to deliver Joe! And I have to laugh, I’ve often felt the same about Veronika—a long-lost sister or cousin. So I suppose that makes you and me family too.:)
For sure! You remind me so much of those in my chosen family, the "village" folks here in Bellingham.
Enfin...! I have found a long enough free moment to listen to your conversation Veronika and Kimberly... all I can say is thank you both for your profound wisdoms, at the end Kimberly you said "I feel a grace throughout this whole conversation, I feel a grace." Grace is the word, for me that emanates in a shimmering light from the whole beautiful, intimate sharing of time between you both, your extraordinary philosophies which I am now going to walk up my hill with and spend a few more minutes digesting...
Veronika, you spoke of a feeling of inadequacy, "the biggest kind of bugger, my immature inner creature was to feel inadequate", for so many reasons, different to your own of course, I have felt my entire life, ruled by my own emotions, my own actions to be wholly inadequate, I am not looking for consolation here but I believe I must, must read your book.
My love to you both, as always, I am in awe, too shy to say more but in awe nonetheless. 🙏🏼
Thank you, Susie 🙏 💙
We should have known better than to ramble on for so long...
I do believe we must speak of this sense of inadequacy, which may seem ridiculous from the outside, considering all the wonderful things we are each sharing with the world and each other, and yet that feeling can be so persistent...
Profound gratitude for your listening and carving out a slice of your precious time xxx
Veronika it was the grace I needed to tackle the ironing, a most dreaded chore I leave until it cannot wait a moment longer... I am anything but graceful when ironing - another inadequacy perhaps - so thank you the length was perfect💛🍃x
Ohh... ironing (or any household chore for that matter)... who says that those should be done gracefully? I'm a 'minimalist' when it comes to ironing 😊
Haha, yes indeed, I agree entirely Veronika, but two months of minimalist ironing amounted to rather a lot! 🤭