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Absolutely beautiful! Thank you so much, Kimberly, for introducing and interviewing Chloe. And thank you so much, Chloe, for your truly inspiring work.

As it happens, a lot of the themes you touched upon, contained answers to questions I've been holding (right now) in relation to the next part of my book, confirming ideas gestating in my heart. So Thank you both especially for talking to me!

I am convinced that we are doing this work not just for ourselves, but for our ancestors too. If there is intergenerational trauma, it only makes sense that there must be intergenerational healing.

I've also started to include my ancestors in my inner conversations a couple of months ago, mainly the female lineage so far, telling them about the work I'm doing... it has been (en)lightening.

I love what you say here towards the end, Chloe, "I wonder if the end is very difficult, particularly difficult for the parts of ourselves that have gone unloved."

I have that sense too. You are doing powerful healing work 💗🙏

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May 6Liked by Kimberly Warner

Veronika, I'm so glad our conversation spoke to you, and that we've been holding some of these themes together. Intergenerational healing makes perfect sense to me, too, and I fear that our cultural addiction to linear time can really get in the way of feeling into it.

Beautiful that you're including your lineage in your inner work 💗 So nice to meet you.

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May 6·edited May 6Liked by Kimberly Warner

I've been 'binge reading' your posts since listening to this interview. I know what you mean about 'linear time can get in the way' (for some people...) However, I don't think you need to fear that this applies to you. With your work you are already so deep into the experience of timelessness, or the infinite spacetime (or whatever we may call it) where we can interact in the 'everpresent'. But I do understand what you're saying. It surprised me too, when I started this practice. I found that my ancestors were incredibly supportive and grateful, and I'm confident you'll find the same.

I'm delighted to meet you too and love your writings and work, Chloe (the inner and outer)

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I'M BEYOND THRILLED YOUR TWO PATHS ARE NOW CROSSED!!!! Two of my most favorite writers and thinkers together. Both of you often leave me breathless, throwing up my hands upon finishing an essay and nodding my head and heart wildly. Veronika, when I discovered Chloe I binge read her too... I couldn't stop!

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May 7Liked by Kimberly Warner

I look forward to one day, when we meet, telling you of an experience I had with a group of ancestors--let's just say it hastened my untangling from linear time!

Thank you so much for your thoughts, Veronika, it's exciting to meet someone who speaks this language...

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I'm looking forward to that conversation too!

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A moving exchange from two of my favorites here: the empathic poetic writing of Chloe and the deep heart and soul and open vulnerability of Kimberly. A must read and listen interview.

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Dearest Mary... I feel so honored that you took the time to listen. You wear your own deep heart and wisdom on your sleeve, and in your words, and I so look forward to sharing space with you soon. xo

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Thank you so much, Mary x

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And Nick Hornby has found you! You are so worth the time. I send admiration and, forgive the overstep: love. ~ Mary

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So wild! Thank you so much, dear Mary, it means a lot 💗

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This was amazing! Two of my favourites together in conversation— it’s too perfect.

There is so much good stuff I could say, but what really stood out to me is what Chloe said here:

“I've found for a long time, existence really tricky. So like being in a body and having to interact with other humans and navigate interpersonal relationships and the confusion that seems to exist in them. And yeah, there being certain rules that you have to follow and the body thing has always been really difficult. Being in a body has been really quite uncomfortable in lots of different ways.”

— I really relate to this experience.

Thanks you two :)

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I second Chloe Michael! I sorely miss your words over here and look forward to the day they return.

Chloe has such a beautiful way of speaking about the transcendent, the spiritual, without ever sounding precious or inaccessible. The grit is held right inside the grace and she's all the more radiant because of it.

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Thank you, Kimberly. My words will be gracing the halls of substack again very soon. I’ve missed your writing as well and so it was lovely to return to see you and Chloe in conversation — a double treat.

And yes, I agree completely Chloe has a special knack for putting into words so of the more transcendent elements of this experience. :)

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May 6Liked by Kimberly Warner

Michael! How are you, buddy? I miss your writing. Thank you for taking the time to listen. Being a human is a trip, totally awkward. I give it a 6/10 ❤️

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Hey Chloe, I’m good. How are you? And thank you, I’ve been missing your writing also.

Haha yes, it is a strange thing indeed, and I must say, I love that you rated the experience. :)

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May 6Liked by Kimberly Warner

A deeply illuminating conversation between two of my favorite writers. Any small technical ‘glitches’ went unnoticed as I am sure like me, most listeners and observers were deeply invested in the conversation in front of us. Beauty that transcends the ordinary. A wonderful interview.

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May 6Liked by Kimberly Warner

You transcend the ordinary ♥️

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I couldn't help but feel you on my shoulder throughout this conversation Lor. Chloe and I have spoken about a Part II and now I'm conspiring to figure out how to bring you into the conversation too. Is that too much transcendence for one recording platform to handle? We'll have to see.

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May 6Liked by Kimberly Warner

Thank you for having me, most dear and compassionate Kim. And for your wildly generous words, and heart, and patience throughout. Our spectres are well fed, long may they rest 💜 all love to you

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The tragedy of sharing time with you Chloe is now I have a gaping, universe-sized hole in my heart that can only be filled with future hang time. Or a storm of fireflies, whichever comes first.

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Happy to fill that cosmic hole whenever you fancy 🤍

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May 6Liked by Kimberly Warner

I've been anxiously awaiting this conversation between you two and it did not disappoint. Such wonderful open-ended questions, Kimberly. I'm so glad you didn't hit me with those in our interview! Only Chloe could navigate them and deliver such thoughtful responses. Thank you so much for doing this!

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Haha. If only you could hear a few of the outtakes. I even had the nerve at one point to ask Chloe "Why does duality exist?" I need to take a Xanax next time Chloe and I connect.

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May 6Liked by Kimberly Warner

Thank you for listening, Ben, super pleased you enjoyed. Kim really has a knack for these things...

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May 6Liked by Kimberly Warner

This is just breathtakingly beautiful. Two of my favo(u)rite writers in conversation, and we get to listen. Thank you both!

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I'll take the Brit's spelling any day. They make even colo(u)r more lovely.

Thank you for listening John. Feeling your generous appreciation and smiling.

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John, thank you so much. And thank you for the parenthetical u !!

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Simply wonderful!

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You're on my list David. Can we meet in a forest and record under an unfurling fern?

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Not unlike your good self, David

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May 6Liked by Kimberly Warner

Your exploration, Kimberly and Chloe, was like two old friends meeting for the first time. Yes, “God is everything“. I could feel it in your dialogue. Discovery and revelation!

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I felt that with Chloe the first time I ever read her words. Soaring, grateful recognition. If only she lived next door so we could play more!

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May 7Liked by Kimberly Warner

That's a cosmically beautiful way of putting it, thank you, Nance ✨

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My mom adores you. xo

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Also biggest thanks for ushering Kimberly into the world 🙏💗

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So many beautiful moments to cherish here. Thank you, both of you, for such a rich conversation.

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Bowing to Chloe, it's her wisdom and presence that carried us. And bowing to you for taking time to listen.

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😊 There was plenty of wisdom from both of you.

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Thank you, dear Jeffrey 🙏

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WOW! Beyond words…so grateful for this 🙏🏻

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You're such a dear Grace. Thank you for being here with us.

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Grace, so grateful to you ✨

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May 7Liked by Kimberly Warner

Cannot wait to listen to this (been sick and overworked, so I'm getting here late, sorry)! I had the (far too brief, but so lovely) pleasure of meeting Chloe and David in London at Christmas and it was like connecting with friends I'd always known.

Thank you for this series, Kimberly.

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I want to whisk you away to a long writer's residency somewhere Nathan so that job of yours can leave you alone to write!

Wow. What a dreamy holiday gathering. I'm getting my ticket to London for xmas 2024 now. ;)

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May 7Liked by Kimberly Warner

I so wish that were possible! I think I hit breaking point this week, unfortunately.

London for this coming Christmas? Yay!

If you're ever over in Melbourne, you must let me know 🤗

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I was just kidding about London. Just need a little transporter technology and then I'll be in London by tomorrow breakfast and Melbourne for dinner.

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Ah, hehe. If only!

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It really was the most normal thing, oh we're just talking to the pub around the corner to meet Nathan, obviously. Such a treat...

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The whole "oh and we're two minutes away from where you're having dinner" was just like it was meant to be. 🤗

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'Twas indeed meant to be 🤗

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May 7Liked by Kimberly Warner

What a deeply moving exchange of words from two writers that that leave a deep sigh in their wake in every phrase by stepping out of the ordinary into the realms of extraordinary.

Thank you both for this conversation, both your questions Kimberly and your responses Chloe will circle gently for many days…

As for technical hiccups- I had to half listen to and half read this because I too have a WiFi that misbehaves at the least opportune moments. I never noticed a thing! X

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May 7Liked by Kimberly Warner

Lovely to be in some small way participating in the circling, Susie. Countryside Wifi is fast becoming one of my greatest spiritual teachers!

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I will second that Chloe! Susie, thank you for joining us in the wake. xo

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May 6Liked by Kimberly Warner

You both appear to gracefully move through pain, to promise, to power, and eventually play. Four potent P’s!

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May 6Liked by Kimberly Warner

You both are wonderful teachers and trustworthy guides. Thanks for sharing the dialog.

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Thanks friend. If you consider the blind leading the blind trustworthy, then follow us into the dark!

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May 7Liked by Kimberly Warner

If you wanted to be taught how to be terminally perplexed I could possibly help out there... Thank you for listening, A 🖍️

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I loved getting to know the wonderful Chloe a bit more. Kimberly, as always, you ask such thoughtful questions. You make your interviewees at ease. And it's like just a lovely conversation between close friends.

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It sure felt like that Nadia. The hardest part is realizing I won't get to hang with her at recess Monday morning. ;)

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