There are times when I'm with someone at the end of their life or I'm with a tiny bird and there is that moment where I'm just like Oh, Oh yeah, I think there's some God here. I love more deeply because of death and birds.
Absolutely beautiful! Thank you so much, Kimberly, for introducing and interviewing Chloe. And thank you so much, Chloe, for your truly inspiring work.
As it happens, a lot of the themes you touched upon, contained answers to questions I've been holding (right now) in relation to the next part of my book, confirming ideas gestating in my heart. So Thank you both especially for talking to me!
I am convinced that we are doing this work not just for ourselves, but for our ancestors too. If there is intergenerational trauma, it only makes sense that there must be intergenerational healing.
I've also started to include my ancestors in my inner conversations a couple of months ago, mainly the female lineage so far, telling them about the work I'm doing... it has been (en)lightening.
I love what you say here towards the end, Chloe, "I wonder if the end is very difficult, particularly difficult for the parts of ourselves that have gone unloved."
I have that sense too. You are doing powerful healing work 💗🙏
Veronika, I'm so glad our conversation spoke to you, and that we've been holding some of these themes together. Intergenerational healing makes perfect sense to me, too, and I fear that our cultural addiction to linear time can really get in the way of feeling into it.
Beautiful that you're including your lineage in your inner work 💗 So nice to meet you.
I've been 'binge reading' your posts since listening to this interview. I know what you mean about 'linear time can get in the way' (for some people...) However, I don't think you need to fear that this applies to you. With your work you are already so deep into the experience of timelessness, or the infinite spacetime (or whatever we may call it) where we can interact in the 'everpresent'. But I do understand what you're saying. It surprised me too, when I started this practice. I found that my ancestors were incredibly supportive and grateful, and I'm confident you'll find the same.
I'm delighted to meet you too and love your writings and work, Chloe (the inner and outer)
I'M BEYOND THRILLED YOUR TWO PATHS ARE NOW CROSSED!!!! Two of my most favorite writers and thinkers together. Both of you often leave me breathless, throwing up my hands upon finishing an essay and nodding my head and heart wildly. Veronika, when I discovered Chloe I binge read her too... I couldn't stop!
I look forward to one day, when we meet, telling you of an experience I had with a group of ancestors--let's just say it hastened my untangling from linear time!
Thank you so much for your thoughts, Veronika, it's exciting to meet someone who speaks this language...
A moving exchange from two of my favorites here: the empathic poetic writing of Chloe and the deep heart and soul and open vulnerability of Kimberly. A must read and listen interview.
Dearest Mary... I feel so honored that you took the time to listen. You wear your own deep heart and wisdom on your sleeve, and in your words, and I so look forward to sharing space with you soon. xo
This was amazing! Two of my favourites together in conversation— it’s too perfect.
There is so much good stuff I could say, but what really stood out to me is what Chloe said here:
“I've found for a long time, existence really tricky. So like being in a body and having to interact with other humans and navigate interpersonal relationships and the confusion that seems to exist in them. And yeah, there being certain rules that you have to follow and the body thing has always been really difficult. Being in a body has been really quite uncomfortable in lots of different ways.”
I second Chloe Michael! I sorely miss your words over here and look forward to the day they return.
Chloe has such a beautiful way of speaking about the transcendent, the spiritual, without ever sounding precious or inaccessible. The grit is held right inside the grace and she's all the more radiant because of it.
Thank you, Kimberly. My words will be gracing the halls of substack again very soon. I’ve missed your writing as well and so it was lovely to return to see you and Chloe in conversation — a double treat.
And yes, I agree completely Chloe has a special knack for putting into words so of the more transcendent elements of this experience. :)
Michael! How are you, buddy? I miss your writing. Thank you for taking the time to listen. Being a human is a trip, totally awkward. I give it a 6/10 ❤️
A deeply illuminating conversation between two of my favorite writers. Any small technical ‘glitches’ went unnoticed as I am sure like me, most listeners and observers were deeply invested in the conversation in front of us. Beauty that transcends the ordinary. A wonderful interview.
I couldn't help but feel you on my shoulder throughout this conversation Lor. Chloe and I have spoken about a Part II and now I'm conspiring to figure out how to bring you into the conversation too. Is that too much transcendence for one recording platform to handle? We'll have to see.
Thank you for having me, most dear and compassionate Kim. And for your wildly generous words, and heart, and patience throughout. Our spectres are well fed, long may they rest 💜 all love to you
The tragedy of sharing time with you Chloe is now I have a gaping, universe-sized hole in my heart that can only be filled with future hang time. Or a storm of fireflies, whichever comes first.
I've been anxiously awaiting this conversation between you two and it did not disappoint. Such wonderful open-ended questions, Kimberly. I'm so glad you didn't hit me with those in our interview! Only Chloe could navigate them and deliver such thoughtful responses. Thank you so much for doing this!
Haha. If only you could hear a few of the outtakes. I even had the nerve at one point to ask Chloe "Why does duality exist?" I need to take a Xanax next time Chloe and I connect.
Your exploration, Kimberly and Chloe, was like two old friends meeting for the first time. Yes, “God is everything“. I could feel it in your dialogue. Discovery and revelation!
Cannot wait to listen to this (been sick and overworked, so I'm getting here late, sorry)! I had the (far too brief, but so lovely) pleasure of meeting Chloe and David in London at Christmas and it was like connecting with friends I'd always known.
What a deeply moving exchange of words from two writers that that leave a deep sigh in their wake in every phrase by stepping out of the ordinary into the realms of extraordinary.
Thank you both for this conversation, both your questions Kimberly and your responses Chloe will circle gently for many days…
As for technical hiccups- I had to half listen to and half read this because I too have a WiFi that misbehaves at the least opportune moments. I never noticed a thing! X
Well. Two of my darlings in conversation, what could be better?
Thank you, Kim, for all of your interviews, all of your work - you bring light and kindness to everything you touch. You are amazing. Thank you. 🙏⭐🥰
And Chloe ~ it is not so much any one thing you've written or said, or all of the things - it's YOU, and your gentleness, and your directness - somehow you sweep away all efforts to knit together meaning, and the unraveling to understand things - time stops, words stop - I think it is the jewel in the lotus, the I AM, without judgment. What a gift you have. 💎💮💙
What a perfect encapsulation of Chloe dear Troy! The jewel in the lotus. I found myself wondering if we'd have just as impactful of a conversation simply sitting in silence. Chloe glows and the words between her words speak just as much truth as the ones we hear.
Absolutely beautiful! Thank you so much, Kimberly, for introducing and interviewing Chloe. And thank you so much, Chloe, for your truly inspiring work.
As it happens, a lot of the themes you touched upon, contained answers to questions I've been holding (right now) in relation to the next part of my book, confirming ideas gestating in my heart. So Thank you both especially for talking to me!
I am convinced that we are doing this work not just for ourselves, but for our ancestors too. If there is intergenerational trauma, it only makes sense that there must be intergenerational healing.
I've also started to include my ancestors in my inner conversations a couple of months ago, mainly the female lineage so far, telling them about the work I'm doing... it has been (en)lightening.
I love what you say here towards the end, Chloe, "I wonder if the end is very difficult, particularly difficult for the parts of ourselves that have gone unloved."
I have that sense too. You are doing powerful healing work 💗🙏
Veronika, I'm so glad our conversation spoke to you, and that we've been holding some of these themes together. Intergenerational healing makes perfect sense to me, too, and I fear that our cultural addiction to linear time can really get in the way of feeling into it.
Beautiful that you're including your lineage in your inner work 💗 So nice to meet you.
I've been 'binge reading' your posts since listening to this interview. I know what you mean about 'linear time can get in the way' (for some people...) However, I don't think you need to fear that this applies to you. With your work you are already so deep into the experience of timelessness, or the infinite spacetime (or whatever we may call it) where we can interact in the 'everpresent'. But I do understand what you're saying. It surprised me too, when I started this practice. I found that my ancestors were incredibly supportive and grateful, and I'm confident you'll find the same.
I'm delighted to meet you too and love your writings and work, Chloe (the inner and outer)
I'M BEYOND THRILLED YOUR TWO PATHS ARE NOW CROSSED!!!! Two of my most favorite writers and thinkers together. Both of you often leave me breathless, throwing up my hands upon finishing an essay and nodding my head and heart wildly. Veronika, when I discovered Chloe I binge read her too... I couldn't stop!
💖🙏
I look forward to one day, when we meet, telling you of an experience I had with a group of ancestors--let's just say it hastened my untangling from linear time!
Thank you so much for your thoughts, Veronika, it's exciting to meet someone who speaks this language...
I'm looking forward to that conversation too!
A moving exchange from two of my favorites here: the empathic poetic writing of Chloe and the deep heart and soul and open vulnerability of Kimberly. A must read and listen interview.
Dearest Mary... I feel so honored that you took the time to listen. You wear your own deep heart and wisdom on your sleeve, and in your words, and I so look forward to sharing space with you soon. xo
Thank you so much, Mary x
And Nick Hornby has found you! You are so worth the time. I send admiration and, forgive the overstep: love. ~ Mary
So wild! Thank you so much, dear Mary, it means a lot 💗
This was amazing! Two of my favourites together in conversation— it’s too perfect.
There is so much good stuff I could say, but what really stood out to me is what Chloe said here:
“I've found for a long time, existence really tricky. So like being in a body and having to interact with other humans and navigate interpersonal relationships and the confusion that seems to exist in them. And yeah, there being certain rules that you have to follow and the body thing has always been really difficult. Being in a body has been really quite uncomfortable in lots of different ways.”
— I really relate to this experience.
Thanks you two :)
I second Chloe Michael! I sorely miss your words over here and look forward to the day they return.
Chloe has such a beautiful way of speaking about the transcendent, the spiritual, without ever sounding precious or inaccessible. The grit is held right inside the grace and she's all the more radiant because of it.
Thank you, Kimberly. My words will be gracing the halls of substack again very soon. I’ve missed your writing as well and so it was lovely to return to see you and Chloe in conversation — a double treat.
And yes, I agree completely Chloe has a special knack for putting into words so of the more transcendent elements of this experience. :)
Michael! How are you, buddy? I miss your writing. Thank you for taking the time to listen. Being a human is a trip, totally awkward. I give it a 6/10 ❤️
Hey Chloe, I’m good. How are you? And thank you, I’ve been missing your writing also.
Haha yes, it is a strange thing indeed, and I must say, I love that you rated the experience. :)
A deeply illuminating conversation between two of my favorite writers. Any small technical ‘glitches’ went unnoticed as I am sure like me, most listeners and observers were deeply invested in the conversation in front of us. Beauty that transcends the ordinary. A wonderful interview.
You transcend the ordinary ♥️
I couldn't help but feel you on my shoulder throughout this conversation Lor. Chloe and I have spoken about a Part II and now I'm conspiring to figure out how to bring you into the conversation too. Is that too much transcendence for one recording platform to handle? We'll have to see.
Thank you for having me, most dear and compassionate Kim. And for your wildly generous words, and heart, and patience throughout. Our spectres are well fed, long may they rest 💜 all love to you
The tragedy of sharing time with you Chloe is now I have a gaping, universe-sized hole in my heart that can only be filled with future hang time. Or a storm of fireflies, whichever comes first.
Happy to fill that cosmic hole whenever you fancy 🤍
I've been anxiously awaiting this conversation between you two and it did not disappoint. Such wonderful open-ended questions, Kimberly. I'm so glad you didn't hit me with those in our interview! Only Chloe could navigate them and deliver such thoughtful responses. Thank you so much for doing this!
Haha. If only you could hear a few of the outtakes. I even had the nerve at one point to ask Chloe "Why does duality exist?" I need to take a Xanax next time Chloe and I connect.
Thank you for listening, Ben, super pleased you enjoyed. Kim really has a knack for these things...
This is just breathtakingly beautiful. Two of my favo(u)rite writers in conversation, and we get to listen. Thank you both!
I'll take the Brit's spelling any day. They make even colo(u)r more lovely.
Thank you for listening John. Feeling your generous appreciation and smiling.
John, thank you so much. And thank you for the parenthetical u !!
Simply wonderful!
You're on my list David. Can we meet in a forest and record under an unfurling fern?
Not unlike your good self, David
Your exploration, Kimberly and Chloe, was like two old friends meeting for the first time. Yes, “God is everything“. I could feel it in your dialogue. Discovery and revelation!
I felt that with Chloe the first time I ever read her words. Soaring, grateful recognition. If only she lived next door so we could play more!
That's a cosmically beautiful way of putting it, thank you, Nance ✨
My mom adores you. xo
Also biggest thanks for ushering Kimberly into the world 🙏💗
So many beautiful moments to cherish here. Thank you, both of you, for such a rich conversation.
Bowing to Chloe, it's her wisdom and presence that carried us. And bowing to you for taking time to listen.
😊 There was plenty of wisdom from both of you.
Thank you, dear Jeffrey 🙏
WOW! Beyond words…so grateful for this 🙏🏻
You're such a dear Grace. Thank you for being here with us.
Grace, so grateful to you ✨
Cannot wait to listen to this (been sick and overworked, so I'm getting here late, sorry)! I had the (far too brief, but so lovely) pleasure of meeting Chloe and David in London at Christmas and it was like connecting with friends I'd always known.
Thank you for this series, Kimberly.
I want to whisk you away to a long writer's residency somewhere Nathan so that job of yours can leave you alone to write!
Wow. What a dreamy holiday gathering. I'm getting my ticket to London for xmas 2024 now. ;)
I so wish that were possible! I think I hit breaking point this week, unfortunately.
London for this coming Christmas? Yay!
If you're ever over in Melbourne, you must let me know 🤗
I was just kidding about London. Just need a little transporter technology and then I'll be in London by tomorrow breakfast and Melbourne for dinner.
Ah, hehe. If only!
It really was the most normal thing, oh we're just talking to the pub around the corner to meet Nathan, obviously. Such a treat...
The whole "oh and we're two minutes away from where you're having dinner" was just like it was meant to be. 🤗
'Twas indeed meant to be 🤗
What a deeply moving exchange of words from two writers that that leave a deep sigh in their wake in every phrase by stepping out of the ordinary into the realms of extraordinary.
Thank you both for this conversation, both your questions Kimberly and your responses Chloe will circle gently for many days…
As for technical hiccups- I had to half listen to and half read this because I too have a WiFi that misbehaves at the least opportune moments. I never noticed a thing! X
Lovely to be in some small way participating in the circling, Susie. Countryside Wifi is fast becoming one of my greatest spiritual teachers!
I will second that Chloe! Susie, thank you for joining us in the wake. xo
You both appear to gracefully move through pain, to promise, to power, and eventually play. Four potent P’s!
You both are wonderful teachers and trustworthy guides. Thanks for sharing the dialog.
Thanks friend. If you consider the blind leading the blind trustworthy, then follow us into the dark!
If you wanted to be taught how to be terminally perplexed I could possibly help out there... Thank you for listening, A 🖍️
Well. Two of my darlings in conversation, what could be better?
Thank you, Kim, for all of your interviews, all of your work - you bring light and kindness to everything you touch. You are amazing. Thank you. 🙏⭐🥰
And Chloe ~ it is not so much any one thing you've written or said, or all of the things - it's YOU, and your gentleness, and your directness - somehow you sweep away all efforts to knit together meaning, and the unraveling to understand things - time stops, words stop - I think it is the jewel in the lotus, the I AM, without judgment. What a gift you have. 💎💮💙
What a perfect encapsulation of Chloe dear Troy! The jewel in the lotus. I found myself wondering if we'd have just as impactful of a conversation simply sitting in silence. Chloe glows and the words between her words speak just as much truth as the ones we hear.