I appreciated your conversation! Thank you. You both kept several fascinating threads going throughout. They give me so much to think about. I love the idea that the present 'is not insubstantial' and that there is a breadth and a depth to our present moments…..
Isn't that fascinating! I will always remember that from our conversation as well, as if each moment is full-bodied, multi-dimensional and existing outside of our normal perception of time.
Oh, wow. I was so excited when a notice came to my inbox with both of your names! And this conversation was just as wonderful as I imagined it might be. I love the concept of words in cells. I need to sit with that. I certainly relate to the … is it disingenuousness … that can come when words or whatever you’re creating come from the brain alone.
And I love the idea of the moment, the present having a thickness. I want to stew in the notion of that. I was reading a piece earlier today by Summer Koester that ponders non-locality and how possibility is more real than actuality. I love that these two ponderings can now stew together.
Very grateful you are both using and reusing the fuel of words—that we all are here on this gathering space for misfits. Thanks, Kimberly and Bertus!!
Isn't Bertus wonderful? I want to spend a few days inside his brain. And now you've added to these nuggets to ponder—possibility is more real than actuality?! WOW do I love this!!!!! How liberating and empowering.
Wow, what a rich conversation. I feel as though there were 5-6 points in this where you guys could have gone off in a completely different direction into a six hour series on some really fascinating topics (and it perfect as it is, and I would have listened to all six, six-hour tangents). Just the piece about words essentially beings lies, and that they’ll never really be enough, we’re all just pointing at the moon to some extent—and how to live with that…?! Aaaargh! Anyway, thank you. So, so much food for thought. I’ve just started reading ‘The Carpenter and the talking tree’ and I’m bewitched…
I thought about you when we were talking about “words are lies”, recalling the way you find your own words, almost bubbling up from a place of silent unknown. It was so adorable the way you animated this for me, a visual I will never forget. “Chloe conjuring.” ❤️❤️❤️
I'm listening to this in parts, stopping now to go for a run having just listened to Bertus describe the experience of his children's hearing loss. I want to thank you both for this conversation, it's so moving and inspiring, so fascinating; what beautiful, gentle company to be in this morning.
What a beautiful take-away! I agree, Bertus inspires and encourages us all to march to our own drummer and trust the voices within. Thank you Nathan for taking time to listen!
This is such a great conversation. Thank you both so much! You covered so much ground, and gave me lots to think about. From our useless school-system to start with... making so many creatives feel inadequate (I had the good fortune to have private tutors the first 7 years, so when I was sent to the 'real school' I wasn't quite as gullible as I would've been otherwise).
And then this: "I feel like living unfixed really equips us to serve from that place of that shared humanity. I don't know the fragility, the tenderness, the vulnerability, I mean, the innocence."
Absolutely! There is so much I resonate with. I'll have to come back and listen/ read it again.
Veronika, I have been rummaging through your Substack as if it were an attic full of intriguing items. Just resolutely closed the door behind me with a deep sigh, mumbling calming words, telling myself I can return at the right time to get to know each of them.
Synkairosity 🤫 what a great word! I'll introduce it into the glossary of Symbiopædia, if you don't mind (and credit you with coining this term of course)
Do you have a definition for it?
(I have some ideas about what it means, but would like to hear from you first...)
If the word longs to reside in your glossary, we must let it I believe....
I have been thinking about Kairos and how it is defined nowadays, and I sort of disagree. I am trying to put that feeling of unease into words and the working title for that post is 'inner timing, outer timing'. But we're still in labour....
Don't tell me your thoughts yet, let's compare later.
Hi Kimberly, I see there are more V.. Bond's, but the one I refer to is Veronikas Substack Symbiopaedia. The post I recommend is Theatrical Theories 13 March, worth reading through. She has written quite a few books, but so far I have only seen her recent posts, since we both commented on Suzanne Taylor's Essay contest, as did her husband Joshua Bond (he makes geodisic domes in Portugal). They have offered me assistance with my eco project in France, which is now linked to the continuing promo I'm doing for Suzanne's Global work. Life gets ever more interesting !! BTW, Burtus and I have sub'd each other and have exchanged info too. Thanks for connecting us.... Shows how well interviews can work. See you on the Boulevard, Maurice
OMG. I'm gobbling her up. Just read two of her essays and can't wait to read more. And the idea of Synchronosophy? It's exactly what I've been teaching myself, but using the word unfixed instead.... she says "Synchronosophy can teach us what that means in everyday life ~ especially in situations, which we don’t love already. When you can genuinely grow into accepting something that you previously rejected, your whole world expands. This will become tangible in your inner world and your outer environment." Thank you Maurice for this most treasured new author, I have much to learn. x
❤️❤️❤️ I will undoubtedly come back and make more comments (I've only watched the first five minutes), but just felt the need to pop in say: "I love you both so much!"
Fascinating and inspiring within the first few minutes. Just wanted to comment now even though I'm only minutes in, to say the whole discussion about finding and not finding words, aspects of being solitary...
I just love the sense of play and spontaneity of this: "...art is as an activity, as a thing to do, if you're able to do something without planning ahead, and it can be very, very small, like a small sketch, like a doodle even, just a 20 second thing that you do, without planning ahead"... I used to plan to life's detriment.
Really loved this episode and deeply identify with Bertus, especially his need to just figure it out for himself even if it takes ten times longer. Great interview Kimberly! Can’t wait for the next one.
The lone wolf, learning how to hunt and howl in his own unique way, is so underestimated in our culture. Echoing Bertus in his criticism of our educational system that doesn't know how to nurture their brilliance. Thanks for listening Ben, so glad it resonated with you!
Wonderful interview about the solitary nature of the creative state. A terrific companion to new book that I read and loved: _This Exquisite Loneliness: What Loners, Outcasts, and the Misunderstood Can Teach Us About Creativity_ by poet Richard Deming
I appreciated your conversation! Thank you. You both kept several fascinating threads going throughout. They give me so much to think about. I love the idea that the present 'is not insubstantial' and that there is a breadth and a depth to our present moments…..
Isn't that fascinating! I will always remember that from our conversation as well, as if each moment is full-bodied, multi-dimensional and existing outside of our normal perception of time.
Yes, that is a beautiful way of putting it.
Oh, wow. I was so excited when a notice came to my inbox with both of your names! And this conversation was just as wonderful as I imagined it might be. I love the concept of words in cells. I need to sit with that. I certainly relate to the … is it disingenuousness … that can come when words or whatever you’re creating come from the brain alone.
And I love the idea of the moment, the present having a thickness. I want to stew in the notion of that. I was reading a piece earlier today by Summer Koester that ponders non-locality and how possibility is more real than actuality. I love that these two ponderings can now stew together.
Very grateful you are both using and reusing the fuel of words—that we all are here on this gathering space for misfits. Thanks, Kimberly and Bertus!!
Isn't Bertus wonderful? I want to spend a few days inside his brain. And now you've added to these nuggets to ponder—possibility is more real than actuality?! WOW do I love this!!!!! How liberating and empowering.
Wow, what a rich conversation. I feel as though there were 5-6 points in this where you guys could have gone off in a completely different direction into a six hour series on some really fascinating topics (and it perfect as it is, and I would have listened to all six, six-hour tangents). Just the piece about words essentially beings lies, and that they’ll never really be enough, we’re all just pointing at the moon to some extent—and how to live with that…?! Aaaargh! Anyway, thank you. So, so much food for thought. I’ve just started reading ‘The Carpenter and the talking tree’ and I’m bewitched…
Thank you Chloe
I thought about you when we were talking about “words are lies”, recalling the way you find your own words, almost bubbling up from a place of silent unknown. It was so adorable the way you animated this for me, a visual I will never forget. “Chloe conjuring.” ❤️❤️❤️
I was so nice to know it’s something we share ❤️
Wonderful, just finished listening to the whole interview. Safety in improvisation ♥️
I'm listening to this in parts, stopping now to go for a run having just listened to Bertus describe the experience of his children's hearing loss. I want to thank you both for this conversation, it's so moving and inspiring, so fascinating; what beautiful, gentle company to be in this morning.
Embracing you with silent gratitude. 🙏
OK another comment. This was so, so good.
Kimberly, you are an excellent and astute interviewer. So natural.
Bertus, you are a true joy to listen to. You fill me with a confidence to simply be myself. Thank you.
What a beautiful take-away! I agree, Bertus inspires and encourages us all to march to our own drummer and trust the voices within. Thank you Nathan for taking time to listen!
This is such a great conversation. Thank you both so much! You covered so much ground, and gave me lots to think about. From our useless school-system to start with... making so many creatives feel inadequate (I had the good fortune to have private tutors the first 7 years, so when I was sent to the 'real school' I wasn't quite as gullible as I would've been otherwise).
And then this: "I feel like living unfixed really equips us to serve from that place of that shared humanity. I don't know the fragility, the tenderness, the vulnerability, I mean, the innocence."
Absolutely! There is so much I resonate with. I'll have to come back and listen/ read it again.
💕🙏
Veronika, I have been rummaging through your Substack as if it were an attic full of intriguing items. Just resolutely closed the door behind me with a deep sigh, mumbling calming words, telling myself I can return at the right time to get to know each of them.
Is there such a thing as synkairosity?
welcome to my Substack world!
Synkairosity 🤫 what a great word! I'll introduce it into the glossary of Symbiopædia, if you don't mind (and credit you with coining this term of course)
Do you have a definition for it?
(I have some ideas about what it means, but would like to hear from you first...)
If the word longs to reside in your glossary, we must let it I believe....
I have been thinking about Kairos and how it is defined nowadays, and I sort of disagree. I am trying to put that feeling of unease into words and the working title for that post is 'inner timing, outer timing'. But we're still in labour....
Don't tell me your thoughts yet, let's compare later.
I'm loving this conversation!!!
I knew you would love her work, we are kindred, n'est ce pas ?
And tell me now your thoughts on Suzanne.....
Suzanne... ok, going back to her now to refresh my memory!
Hi Kimberly, I see there are more V.. Bond's, but the one I refer to is Veronikas Substack Symbiopaedia. The post I recommend is Theatrical Theories 13 March, worth reading through. She has written quite a few books, but so far I have only seen her recent posts, since we both commented on Suzanne Taylor's Essay contest, as did her husband Joshua Bond (he makes geodisic domes in Portugal). They have offered me assistance with my eco project in France, which is now linked to the continuing promo I'm doing for Suzanne's Global work. Life gets ever more interesting !! BTW, Burtus and I have sub'd each other and have exchanged info too. Thanks for connecting us.... Shows how well interviews can work. See you on the Boulevard, Maurice
OMG. I'm gobbling her up. Just read two of her essays and can't wait to read more. And the idea of Synchronosophy? It's exactly what I've been teaching myself, but using the word unfixed instead.... she says "Synchronosophy can teach us what that means in everyday life ~ especially in situations, which we don’t love already. When you can genuinely grow into accepting something that you previously rejected, your whole world expands. This will become tangible in your inner world and your outer environment." Thank you Maurice for this most treasured new author, I have much to learn. x
We learn together, we grow, we consider, we act.....
❤️❤️❤️ I will undoubtedly come back and make more comments (I've only watched the first five minutes), but just felt the need to pop in say: "I love you both so much!"
Fascinating and inspiring within the first few minutes. Just wanted to comment now even though I'm only minutes in, to say the whole discussion about finding and not finding words, aspects of being solitary...
I am nodding along so much.
Great convo, Bertus and Kim! ❤️🔥 And thank you for the shout out for Lamb!
Thanks for listening Troy! So looking forward to connecting with you next week!
Me too Kim! xo
I just love the sense of play and spontaneity of this: "...art is as an activity, as a thing to do, if you're able to do something without planning ahead, and it can be very, very small, like a small sketch, like a doodle even, just a 20 second thing that you do, without planning ahead"... I used to plan to life's detriment.
Planning can be the death of creativity!
Really loved this episode and deeply identify with Bertus, especially his need to just figure it out for himself even if it takes ten times longer. Great interview Kimberly! Can’t wait for the next one.
The lone wolf, learning how to hunt and howl in his own unique way, is so underestimated in our culture. Echoing Bertus in his criticism of our educational system that doesn't know how to nurture their brilliance. Thanks for listening Ben, so glad it resonated with you!
An awesome interview of an intriguing character. :)
Wonderful interview about the solitary nature of the creative state. A terrific companion to new book that I read and loved: _This Exquisite Loneliness: What Loners, Outcasts, and the Misunderstood Can Teach Us About Creativity_ by poet Richard Deming
Yes! I remember you mentioning this book when we chatted. It's in my queue and a perfect follow-up to this interview. Bring on the misfits!